Plavix, Aspirin and Stents (April 2005-June 2006)
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Postings on This Page (124): My dad had a stroke. He was taking coumadin
and then his doc changed him to plavix. He was still taking a baby
aspirin a day with his plavix, my dad never suffered a heart attack
nor did he have a stent put in. The doctor said that he artery was
too little. thanks Hello all. I am a 70 years old woman and was
put on Plavix prior to receiving the Stent for poor blood circulation,
but got off of it after 2 months. Went to another doctor and they said
why are you even on Plavix? I had a reaction to Plavix at that time
and got blood shot eyes and major pains in my eyes. I told my cardiologist
that I was allergic to Plavix and that I would have to take something
else, but he went ahead and put one stent in for 50% blockage. I now
have blood shot eyes every now and then and my skin is itching and
I am braking out with red marks and bruises. Does anyone else have
this problem? oh by the way I have a cypher drug eluting stent. When
can I stop this medication? I'm sick of it and it is driving me crazy.
I feel like I am going to have to see a therapist. Signed, very unhappy
camper. Please advise? I had a stent in my RCA, my meds were 75 Plavix,
325 asprin for three months then 81, plus other meds, to this day,
6 months later, my blood is so thin it runs like water when I get scratched
or cut working in garden Buffered ASA 325mg and Plavix 75mg daily.
No heart problems or stents. A lot of congenital deformities like small
carotids gortex graft in R subclavian from aneurysm surgery and old
venous sinus thrombosis. Good cholesterol and low blood pressure. Do
I need to take both of these meds? Bruising a lot and angioedema in
hands. GERD as well. Husband reacted to plavix following 4 stents
into 3 main arteries. Taken off plavix due to severe rash. Put on ticlid.
Reaction to ticlid includes swelling of joints spreading and extreme
pain. Started in pinky on left hand, proceeded throughout fingers and
wrist in first left, then right hand. Currently ankle and knee now
swelling and painful. Condition worsens throughout evening into night.
Beginning to think Plavix is lesser of two evils needed for treatment. Dear H. -- Plavix (clopidogrel) is an antiplatelet drug which doesn't exactly "attack" your platelets -- we all need platelets, a main component of blood -- but it suppresses their clotting action, working as a kind of "lubricant" to keep them from sticking together around a stent. Clopidogrel is the standard therapy prescribed for 3-6 or more months after drug-eluting stenting, along with aspirin. Sometimes another antiplatelet drug, ticlopidine (Ticlid) is prescribed instead of clopidogrel. In your case, if you are experiencing the side-effect (a known one) of clopidogrel which is a low platelet count, then your cardiologist should discuss alternatives with you. Not staying on your prescribed medications (especially for heart attack victims) can definitely raise your risk level (see our June 12 news article about this topic). As for the Flextome Cutting Balloon, a device made by Boston Scientific, it was recalled back in December 2005 for a defect that allowed the catheter shaft to separate -- it occurred in eight reported cases, and if it didn't occur in your procedure (we're assuming it didn't because it's a major problem that you'd definitely have known about when it happened) then the recall doesn't affect you. But since the cardiologist who did your stents stated that the earlier Cutting Balloon procedure put you at risk, you might want to ask him for more detail about "why". One of the reasons a Cutting Balloon was invented was to use in the case of a very dense hard plaque -- a situation where expanding a regular balloon inside the artery might rupture the plaque and tear through the artery wall (a dangerous complication). By making small incisions (cuts) in the plaque first, the Flextome eased the tension inside the artery, kind of "tenderizing" it and making for a safer procedure. As for your medical records, every hospital has their
own policy, but we believe you should be able to have them transferred
to another doctor who's caring for you. We would hope you could call
the cardiologist who did the stent procedure and explain your concerns,
previous platelet situation and current fears. It's very tough sometimes
because doctors in our current healthcare system are given very little
time to speak with patients. Before you call, make notes, try to deliver
the information to him/her efficiently, but get it all in -- just be
as brief as possible. And let us know what you find out. Other patients
may be in similar situations. I just had an three implants Cordis Cypher
Sirolimus Eluting Coronary Stents. While during the implants the coronary
vascular surgeon was upset because the other physician had in October
of 2005 opened an artery with a The Flextome Cutting Balloon. While
I was under surgery he told me I had to take Plavix. A drug I know
attacks my platelets. I had a heart attack in February of 2003. While
taking Plavix and several other medications, I was sent home -- within
a week my platelet count was to the point that I had to have a transfusion.
I did not want a transfusion and was told they would give me one two
days to see if the my blood count was normalizing again naturally --
it finally did and was told never to have Plavix. While searching for
the stents I have had put in now, I understand why this doctor wanted
to put me plavix. This cardiologist was also during my surgery telling
me how my heart was jeopardized because of the Cutting balloon and
may needed to have open heart surgery. I am confused what to do. I
am afraid to take the plavix and the doctors seem not to respond in
a normal ethical interaction with me. I was not allowed to get my own
copies that I normally have during a procedure and keep them with me
if I travel. I also was not allowed to keep a copy of all my blood
work. I feel endangered by all the non information by my heart doctors
and searched on the internet for information. Now I am even more concerned
and do not know what to do. Will I take the plavix which also endangers
my life; I was told I surely would die if I did not take the plavix.
Discharged from the hospital yesterday in distress of not being able
to know what the heck is going on. Where and how do I find information,
since the doctor is not practicing any longer on what Plavix will do
to me. I know that within one week there I was without platelets and
they wanted the doctors wanted to do a blood transfusion. Only next
week they will do a CBC, I am truly scared if I do not take Plavix
I die and when I do I might die since I live by myself. My husband had a heart attack on 5/28/06.
Doctor put a stent in the blood vessel leading into the circumflex
artery. (100% blockage). Now he was taken off the Plavix due to allergic
reaction and only on 325 mg. asp....also Lipitor 20mg. My question
is: His right leg (thigh and below) has a severe pain whenever he moves
the leg. Is this normal? What can be done? We have gone back to doctor
and had a doppler x ray done but to no avail. Hi -- after having 2 stents put in and going
on plavix, lipitor, and small aspirin, etc., 6 months later I develop
(they say) ulcerative colitis. I never had a stomach problem, ever
till now. My new gastrointestinal doc was mortified with the plavix.
Asked if I have read the newer studies on the major bleeding and stuff
it can cause to stomach, rectum, intestines, etc. I am not on it any
longer, and from her look, never will be again. This is much worse
than the heart attack, and it's not getting better. Ii'm wondering
if I have permanent damage from this or what is going on!!!!!!!!! My
life has just turned so bad with constant jolts to the bathroom with
blood, etc. and hospital stays. Anyone else have any help or similar
issues? Thanks so much Roe -- aspirin is prescribed specifically
to prevent a heart attack (via its antiplatelet action). Clopidogrel
(Plavix) does something similar, but in a different way. For stent
patients, they are usually prescribed in combination. You should check
with your physician regarding dosage of any drug. they say that aspirin can cause heart attack
just use one baby aspirin a day.Would it be better if i used one plavix
a day or maybe a half of one. thank you. G -- haven't heard of plavix causing seizures
-- is this information from your doctor? There is an alternative drug
called ticlopidine (Ticlid) which is similar but tolerated differently
in different patients. Let us know more. My brother is 57 yrs old has had 2 stents
put in. He is a severe diabetic and has 2 to 3 seizures a week due
to plavix. He can't tell when his sugar drops and it drops fast. He
takes plavix and aspirin. His blood is too thin and the dr. won't tell
him to stop taking it. He lives alone and has seizures in his sleep.
We are so afraid we are going to lose him. what do we do? HELP. Congratulations Dick! I was placed on 75mg plavix & 81mg aspirin
in March '02 when I received a Cordis non-coated stent. In Sept 05,
I had a Taxus coated stent inserted. Am still on same plavix/aspirin
dose. Of course, I bleed easily, have become fat and happy, have to
rest a lot while doing work like heavy-duty gardening....but then again,
I turned 80 last month! today i my doc says i have atrial fibrillation
that comes and goes. i never had a stroke or heart attack. never had
problems with my heart. the doc says since i take levothroid for my
thyroid that my levothroid med is way too much and in the mean time
to take two aspirins and one plavix a day. i'm really terrified of
taking plavix i guess it's because of know it's dealing with my heart.
until my thyroid level is back to normal and my arterial fibrillation
is gone i have to continue to take plavix once a day and two aspirins
a day. is anyone in the same boat as me? i'm really hesistant in taking
plavix. A study was just presented at the annual meeting
of the Society for Cardiovascular Angiography and Interventions (SCAI)
that demonstrates a potentially successful method for reversing hypersensitivity
reactions to clopidogrel (in English, an allergy to Plavix). It consists
of a "densensitization process" where patients who have exhibited
the symptoms are started with a very small dose of clopidogrel (0.02
mg) that is then increased slightly every 15 minutes until the full
daily dose is achieved -- takes about two hours. Dr. Nicholas Walker
of University of Iowa Healthcare has done this with 8 patients and
every one was a success. More on this later. I had terrible itching, and some swelling
in the hands. My doctor took me off LISINOPRIL, and so far not much
itch, swelling went down as well. I'm on MICARDIS instead...so far,
so good! My doctor ordered plavix 75 mg and aspirin
81 mg, plus isosorbide dinitrate 20 mg BID. Anonymous -- you've
happened upon one of the big controversies in interventional cardiology:
the question of when to stop clopidogrel (a.k.a. Plavix) after drug-eluting
stent placement. It is in fact the subject of this month's "thumbs
up, thumbs down" discussion between Drs. Eric Topol and Rob Califf
on theheart.org --
and it's currently the "Question of the Week" on CRTOnline.org --
both these websites are restricted to healthcare professionals (mainly
cardiologists) so you can see that this is a subject very much in debate.
On the "Question of the Weekvote so far only 57 doctors have voted,
but 53% say a year and 30% say for life. We can't give you medical
advice -- your doctor must do that -- but we can point you to resources.
One is our coverage (and referred to documentation) of the BASKET-LATE
study presented on March 14, 2006 at the annual ACC meeting. This
study raised much concern and almost a shouting match in the conference
hall. The study showed an increase in thrombosis-related events up
to a year after stopping clopidogrel (the study only went that far,
so these late events might continue beyond a year). The package inserts
for drug eluting stents recommend 3-6 months of clopidogrel. Most cardiologists
today recommended a year. Many feel like Dr. Rob Califf of Duke, who
stated, "In my practice, if you get a drug-eluting stent, you're going
to be on clopidogrel for life until more data come in." The reason
cardiologists would like to see their patients stop clopidogrel is
the increased risk of bleeding and the complicated situation if you
have to get surgery. Then there's the cost. The biggest problem right
now is that, as of yet, there is no way to tell which patients are
at higher risk for thromotic events after stopping clopidogrel. I just visited my new cardiologist today (my
former one left the group without informing me and I hesitated to go
back to that group). My new cardiologist is young, cocky and opinionated.
I noted I was taking Plavix and enteric 81 mg ASA and he said "Current
wisdom is that you should stop taking Plavix a year after your last
stent". Well, my second of 2 stents was implanted 3 years ago and I'm
not comfortable discontinuing the Plavix, and told him so. Any thoughts? To Fred of Mississippi- I also have recently
had 2 angioplasties consisting of 2 drug-eluting stents each. Like
you, I experienced a severe rash with leather-like skin on my groin
and buttocks and was prescribed Atarax for the allergy caused by Plavix.
The Atarax worked exceptionally and within 2 days vanished completely
at which time, I ceased taking the Atarax and have not neede3d it again. My father is 73 years old and has 5 stents. He has been on Plavix for about a year and last October his doctor tried to wean him off the medicine. However, after 10 days he had a mild heart attack. At this point his heart doctor told him he would be on Plavix for the rest of his life. Fast forward to April 19, 2006 and my father has a mild stroke. A stroke caused by a massive blood clot (really pool of blood) in his brain. The brain doctors asked if he had hit his head lately and, in fact, he had getting out of the car about a week prior. Nothing hard. Just a hit on the head as he was getting out of the car. After removing the blood clot (really a pool of blood), his heart doctor now says he can no longer take Plavix. Apparently, there has been an increasing number of cases just like this. While Plavix does wonders to keep blood flowing through the heart, it simply makes the blood so thin that if a person hits their head the chances of a pool of blood forming in their brain is huge. The point is, Plavix is a wonderful drug for a heart patient. However, one of the risk is that if you hit your head (and not real hard) you may experience the same thing that my father did. While in the Hospital there were 4 or 5 other patients with the same condition. My hope now is to find an alternative drug to keep
his blood flowing.They are talking about putting him on an aspirin
a day. The effectiveness of an aspirin seems to be considerably less
than that of Plavix. Therefore, I am greatly concerned that within
a very short time my father will die of a heart attack. Anyone with
suggestions, please let me know. I just underwent angioplasty and drug-eluting
stent surgery and was prescribed an aspirin-plavix regimen. After only
four days, I developed a severe, itchy skin rash that covers most of
my torso, legs and thighs. I intend to see my physician today to investigate
alternatives, if any, to Plavix. After doing elective heart scan...showing
increased plaque...then took results to Doctor...followed by angiogram
and I had stent implanted in February...taking one Plavix and one full
strength aspirin daily. Question whether I should take 325 aspirin
since I have had low blood platelets for a number of years (after radiation
for prostate cancer 10 plus years ago) Has anyone on 75mg Plavix and
aspirin seen changes in blood platelets, blood counts or hemoglobin? Diane -- the FDA-required IFU (Instructions
For Use) on the Cypher drug-eluting stent recommend 3 months of Plavix;
for the Taxus, it's 6 months. But stent thrombosis in drug-eluting
stents is a hot button issue and many cardiologists prescribe Plavix
for a year or more, and aspirin for life, to avoid the thrombosis problem
which is extremely serious when it occurs. It is usually recommended
that elective surgery wait until Plavix can be discontinued, to reduce
the risk of bleeding. But these decisions should be made with your
interventional cardiologist who is probably best-informed about the
Plavix / drug-eluting stent issues. I want to have bariactric surgery, but I had
an angioplasty done so my doctor says I have to wait. How long do I
have to be on plavix and asprin? My sister had the same thing done
and she has had carpel tunnel and back surgery three months after the
stents were put in. My doctor says that mine is an elective surgery.
What do you think? I am a 34-year old female who was diagnosed
with a hole in my heart (atrial septal defect) and had a catheter procedure
to fix the problem. I have been on Plavix for about two months and
have started to experience severe itching and a rash on my hands, feet,
arm pits, abdomen, thighs, and just today my upper lip has swollen
up. I am so glad that I logged on to this site because I was so afraid
it was the device I was allergic to which is similar to a stent. He had five blockages. Three stents on the
left side. Two total blockages on the right side that they could not
unblock. Yes, he is on Plavix. Barbara -- not to add to the extensive list
of medications that your boyfriend is taking, but is Plavix one of
them? It's usually prescribed after a drug-eluting stent to prevent
stent thrombosis (blood clotting in the stent). Muscle ache and pain
is sometimes a side effect of some statin drugs. Your cardiologist
should be made aware of these reactions. Some advances are being made
in the treatment of chronic total occlusions (CTO) or the 100% blockage,
but it's a tricky situation. Every patient's condition is different,
which is why only an experienced interventional cardiologist should
make a decision on whether or not to treat in these situations -- in
your case it sounds like he did. Managing the medications can also
be tricky -- we recommend that you work closely with your doctor and
report side-effects to him/her, etc. so the best and most effective
combination can be achieved. My boyfriend had three medically coated stents
put in 1/6/06. He has 100% blockage in the RCM The Dr. attempted angioplasty
but stopped because of risks to the left side. He has only one leg
and was concerned about having a by-pass and the recovery after, so
the stents was a good option. He is breathing much, much better. However
he suffers from shoulder, arm, and leg pain. Has a feeling of numbness
in his hands. He presently is taking glipizide, norvasc, tricor, coreg,
avalide, furosemide, ecotrin(325 mg), potassium, isosorbide and zocor.
He sees his cardiologist in May. His primary Dr. said he will always
be on this medication, because he did not have the by-pass. Needless
to say, he gets discouraged. Is this right? Dr. N -- a clopidogrel-eluting stent. That's
an interesting idea. One of the problems is that the blood circulates
throughout the body quite swiftly, so any "eluted" clopidogrel
would be extremely diluted and probably not have much antiplatelet
effect. This is different from the type of localized drug eluted by
the stents to prevent proliferation (growth) of muscle cells that can
become stenotic and cause blockages. These eluted drugs act on the
endothelial layer on the inside of the artery, only around the stent
area. Blood thinners must act on the entire bloodstream. But you're
right. There must be a better solution. One such idea we'll be hearing
much more about: bioabsorable polymers or bioabsorbable stents. In
this case, the coating, or possibly the stent itself, will be absorbed
into the body and will in effect disappear. Conor has a stent being
used in Europe now that has a bioabsorbable coating. We'll soon be
posting a feature article on these new emerging technologies.By the
way, the drug on the Endeavor is ABT-578, made by Abbott. Abbott is
using the same drug on their Zomaxx stent. If you search our
site for these terms, you'll come up with more information. Thanks
for your contribution. i am 61 year-old male with an EndeavorRx 2.5x12mm
put on December 22, 2005. Why should we expose the whole circulation
to clopidogrel? can't we invent a clopidogrel-eluting stent which can
create a ''clopidogrel pool '' within and around the stent? The aim
is to reduce the occurrence of bleedings and other adverse reactions
to clopidogrel also to shorten the duration of its use. By the way,
I couldn't trace any info or studies regarding my Endeavor eluting
stent and its active ingredient? Greeting to all fellow sufferers. My husband had a heart attack in January,
2006, and is taking many meds, including Plavix. He has shaking chills
and feels very cold for hours every day, but three different doctors
have said no medications can cause this. Does anyone else have these
symptoms or are we both crazy? husband had heart attack on 3/26/06 one artery
100 % blocked..stent put in ..prescribed plavix, aspirin 325 mg. corag
and blood pressure meds... pharmacy (error) filled with 81mg aspirin
and he had another heart attack 3 days later....clot formed..could
the wrong dosage of aspirin contributed to 2nd heart attack and blood
clotting.. any connection I am on non-eluting 3 stents since 11 months
ago. I take plavix 75 and no aspirin because I am afraid of bleeding
with the combination. I am 55 and have no other health problems. With
time, the chest pain comes lighter and less frequent. My LDLs are at
the minimum limit with lescol . My Question is for how long I have
to stay on plavix? Should I take Aspirin too? I also take Concor 2.5
mg tablet per day. My heart rate is regular (60/min) and bp is 100/70
even before stenting. Should I contiue on that beta blocker? Thank
you very much. Sincerely, Sayed Kathy from Illinois -- did the doctor determine
the source of the bleeding? Did it have anything to do with the femoral
artery where the catheter was inserted? i am age 25 a suffered a stroke after a car
wreck. I had a stent put in Nov. of 05 and now taking plavix and aspirin
everyday. I am very tired a lot and so much bruising now. I have had an episode of internal bleeding
2 weeks after my heart stent was put in. It came on suddenly and I
developed severe burning pain in my lower right side, went to the E.R.
and was given a CT Scan that showed the bleeding. Nothing was done
other than pain meds. Now my cardiologist has taken me off of Plavix
and the 325 mg. aspirin and is having me take only 81 mg. aspirin.
Has anyone else had this problem and what was your outcome ? The pain
is unbelievable. Any help you can give me to help me cope with all
of this will be appreciated. Drug coated stents and aspirin allergies.
My father just had a stent put in and he is allergic to aspirin. Will
Plavix trigger the same allergic reaction? Within
the past three days both the American Heart Association
and American College of Cardiology have issued alerts, basically
stating what we've written here, if you are currently taking aspirin
and clopidogrel (Plavix®), don't stop without consulting your
doctor. Like we said....). Our Editor has also chimed in with his
view on what happened with the news media last week. I am 38 and had an angioplasty and 2 non-drug-coated
stents placed 4 years ago. I've been on aspirin 80mg and Lipitor 10mg.
Actually I have reduced the dosage on aspirin myself in the recent
year to like one pill every the other day. My heart feels normal. I
am wondering after 4 years, is it still necessary to take aspirin? I had a heart attack about 6 months ago at
age 52 and had one stent put in due to 100% blockage. I am taking Plavix
(75mg) with aspirin (81mg), Metoprolol (25mg) and Vytorin (10/20mg).
During the first 90 days, I realy could not do much. I was always out
of breath, light headed and sleepy. Then I attended a rehab 3 times
a week for six weeks and everything changed. Whatever you do make sure
to go through a rehab session after a heart attack. Primarily because
it builds confidence. Getting hooked up and monitored while exercising
for 3 hours a week does wonders to the mind. All those funny little
pains and burning sensations that I used to feel, blaming my medicines
for not feeling good etc. kind of went away. Being physicaly conditioned
feels great (and I have not been exercising for over 15+ years!) I
truly believe that the biggest damage from a heart attack is in ones
head (off course excluding legitimate complications). I try not to
wory about the side effects, or little pains here or there anymore...important
things is I am still alive and know a lot more about how to take care
myself now than I did before. I think the first 4-5 months is the hardest
then things get better. HI I WOULD JUST LIKE TO START OUT BY SAYING
I HAD A HEART ATTACK ON 1-1-06,FOLLOWED BY ANGIOPLASTY IN WICH A 100%
RCA BLOCKAGE WAS FOUND AND MEDICALLY STENTED,PRECEEDED BY 40MG ZOCHOR,75MG
PLAVIX,325 ASPIRIN,50MG*2METROPOL,0.5 ALTACE. WHEN I FIRST GOT OUT
OF THE HOSPITAL I GOT PRETTY SICK FOR A WEEK STRAIGHT THEN TURNED THE
CORNER FOR THE BETTTER I GUESS,I HAVE BEEN WALKING 7 DAYS A WEEK 2
MILES A DAY AND HAVE LOST 35 PONDS AND FEEL 10 YEARS YOUNGER.MY AGE
INCIDENTLY IS 36 YEARS OLD SO I AM VERY GREATFULL FOR MY GOOD FORTUNE. I am a patient with the VA who has had stent
placement as well as angioplasty. Following my stent placement I was
prescribed Plavix initially, and then its generic or counterpart, Ticlid.
I am allergic to both. We have consulted with an allergist who has
determined that to work for desensitization would possibly interfere
with medications now prescribed for Hypertension, diabetes, Cardiac
Disease and Cholesterol. Where does that put me? Just a note -- Monday, which was the day we
issued our News Alert about
the misleading headlines stating that Plavix and aspirin were a risky
combination, this page received the most hits of all of the 500-plus
pages on Angioplasty.Org. To boot, our site traffic was 50% above normal.
Just another indication of consumers using the Internet for health
information. See our Editor's
Blog for more info. I have had shoulder burning and shoulder pain
bilaterally at times. My stress test is negative. Could the med be
causing the pain and burning . I am currently taking ASA 81 mg and
Plavix 75mg qd. since my Non q wave MI April 27 2005. In 1994 I had Angioplasty for 3 blockages.
In July 1998 I had a quadruple by-pass. Jan 2004 went through 55 EECP
visits, with no benefits from therapy. In Aug 2004 2 stents. After
the stents (non medicated) Driver MX Medtronic, he put me on 75 mg
Plavix and 325 mg aspirin. In May 2005 I had a double by-pass. I ve
been on Plavix for 19 months. I keep reading that you should take it
for 3-12 months after a stent is put in. Should I question my cardiologist
about the 19 months or could it because of my by-passes that he keeps
me on them? My history is pretty poor. My triglycerides stay extremely
high. The lowest they have been in 16 years are 625. Last month they
were 1800. They have been as much as 2200. All this while taking medication.
I'm 52 years old and feel like I'm 80. I take: Lisinopril 10mg, Toprol
XL SA 50mg, Cartia XT ER two 180mg (360mg), Pravachol 40mg, Tricor
145 mg NEWS ALERT! If you are an angioplasty patient, don't stop taking your meds. Readers have expressed concern about stories in today's news reporting that Plavix and aspirin may be dangerous when taken together -- for example, the Houston Chronicle's headline reads "Study: Using Plavix with aspirin is risky" -- this is very misleading and not the point of the CHARISMA study, presented yesterday at the annual meeting of the American College of Cardiology. The study was, by the way, funded by the manufacturers of Plavix. First of all, if you're reading this, you or a family member may have already had a coronary event or intervention. You may well have a drug-eluting stent in your coronary arteries. The CHARISMA study does not apply to you. There have been many studies which have shown definite benefit of Plavix (a.k.a. clopidogrel) and aspirin combination therapy. In fact, if you have had a stent put in, especially a drug-eluting stent, Plavix and aspirin are mandatory. They prevent the blood from clotting inside the stent -- an event that is extremely dangerous. So for those of you in this population, DO NOT stop taking Plavix and aspirin on the basis of these headlines. By all means, discuss this with your cardiologist if you are concerned. The CHARISMA study was meant to see if adding clopidogrel
to aspirin was better than aspirin alone in preventing heart attacks
in patients who did NOT already have Acute Coronary Syndrome (ACS)
or who had NOT had an intervention (balloon, stent, etc.). And the
answer was no -- it didn't help any more than aspirin alone. What all
the headlines are referring to was the "subset" of patients
(about 20% of the total) who were asymptomatic (had no symptoms of
heart disease) -- the rate of heart attack and death in the clopidogrel
plus aspirin combination in these patients was actually higher (from
2.2% to 3.9%) -- a surprise to the researchers. So the results of the
study are not to prescribe aspirin plus Plavix to asymptomatic patients,
just aspirin alone -- and that for patients with symptoms, while there
was a slight benefit to the combination, it was not great enough to
justify the expense and possible side-effects of the Plavix. But for
stent and angioplasty patients and those with more advanced disease,
the combination of Plavix and aspirin has been shown to be very beneficial
and essential. Read our Editor's
Blog for more. Alana:I recently heard that plavix and aspirin
can cause strokes on the news 3/13/06. I have been taking these medications
since 9/10/05,I had a 100 percent blockage of the coronary artery and
my cholesterol level was 176 at the time. I had 2 eluting stents put
in 3.5x24mm and 3.5 8mm rca's i also am taking 80 miligrams of lipitor
and 25 miligrams of toprol. Since I have been taking all these meds
I have been gaining so much weight has the medicines have anything
to do with this also. Thank You My father has a very extensive heart history
including triple bypass, about 10 or more angioplastys and 8 stent
placements, well controlled type II diabetes and one very mild TIA.
He had a pacemaker installed a couple years ago and is on many medications
including plavix and baby asa. He is 72 yrs old and struggles daily
with palpatations that cause weakness. No one seems to be able to help.
They insist his pacemaker is working fine but at this point it is hard
to believe anyone. My father tells them how bad he feels and they tell
him he is doing fine. It really seems like many doctors don't listen,
just doctoring their numbers, not the person. At this time they are
increasing his Coreg to attempt to stop the palpatations. It has really
affected his quality of life and his emotional state. He has always
been a "get up and go" type of person despite a chronic back disability.
We don't know what to do. Now, on top of it, my parents heard of a
new study over the news saying that taking plavix and aspririn together
actually increased your chances of heart attack or stroke by some 50-70%.
Has anyone heard of this study? We are at the end of our rope... My GI physician won't prescribe Plavix. Said
its side effects are too bad. I reach the question about not removing
a blockage less than 70%. What about the consequences of leaving it
there? Try kinking a hose and watch the bulge build up. Isn't leaving
it there only contributing to high blood pressure and aneurysms? I
suppose the reason for not removing them is that you'll need more drugs
until it is removed. And, you might be able to avoid all those checks
every few months to "be sure" the blockage hasn't increased. I supposed
to have test every year which cost about $7,000.00. If the blockage
is removed, the hospital would lose that money. Had angioplasty 1/5/06, found 90% blockage
in RCA, put in 2 stents (Cypher Sirolimus-eluting coronary stent).
Left hospital with instructions to take 75mg Plavix, 325mg apsirin,
and 10mg lipitor daily. Felt great for about 3 weeks, and then began
noticing the easy bruising, then joints started bothering me, and also
came a feeling of weakness. Was told to stop the lipitor to see if
that helped. Did eliminate a bit of the joint pain. Am only on the
plavix/aspirin now but continue to feel body weakness, always feel
slightly dizzy, and have aches and pains all the time, especially in
my legs and just generally feel lousy every day. Doesn't seem to be
a solution since I was told that I have to stay on the plavix/aspirin
for 9 months to a year. I had three Taxus-Express stents and was
put on the aspirin-plavix regimen but in a few days had a very severe
allergic reaction to the plavix. Substitution of Ticlid did not help.
I was then put on a regimen of pletal, dipyrimadole and aspirin and
have been on this for a year. Should another stent have to be used
should I have the drug-coated one with the current pletal, aspirin,
dipyrimadole regimen or would a bare stent be better? my husband had a stent put in 3 mth ago he
feels that he is losing muscle mass while also taking weight off ,
he is on plavix I had a heart attack on January 9, 2006. I
had angioplasty done and a Taxus stent put in. I am taking 20mg zocor,
325mg aspirin, 75mg plavix (twice a day). I left the hospital on January
13 and was feeling fine the first two weeks after leaving, but these
last two weeks I have had a lot of joint pain in my hands, wrist, and
knees. I have missed work because I can't walk and can barely type
this letter. My internal medicine doctor said the plavix was what was
making my joints ache, the cardiologist said it was the zocor. So he
took me off the zocor and told me to continue the plavix. I still go
very sore and am home again from work. All this medication is interrupting
my life and my well-being. What can us heart attack sufferers do to
stay healthy without all the terrible side affects from medications.
To me the side affects surely outweigh the benefits, this pain is HELL!!! What would happen if someone took Plavix and
didn't need it? I had a drug eluting stent put in march 2005
for a blockage in my circumflex and was prescribed aspirin 75mg, plavix
75mg and bisoprolol 5mg. About 6 months after taking them i started
to get pain in my left shoulder, mild chest pains (mt GTN spray don't
seam to work) also i get burning in my hands so hot they would be sweaty
and wet and am sick most days and burping a lot, the bruises i seem
to get i can put up with them it the rest that i am bothered about.
my doctor and the hospital have told me it's not my heart so what is
causing all these problems? could it be the medication, any answers
please as i feel worse now than i did before i had my stent. Aspirin 75mg plavix 75mg 1 drug eluting stent.
age 68. Feeling OK, but having trouble walking -- extreme pain in right
thigh after walking 200 yards. Nick -- check our Forum Topic on "why
won't my cardiologist open a 50-60% blockage". Most guidelines
recommend not opening blockages that are less than 70%. These are,
of course, medical questions and the solutions vary from patient
to patient -- depends on whether you have symptoms, other clinical
conditions, etc. That is why we do not and cannot offer "medical
advice" on our Forum -- we can only steer you to resources and
once again stress that this is a decision patients and their physicians
need to reach together. Another resource is our Angioplasty
101 article. Good luck and let us know what happens. Dear Forum Editor: Thanks for your response.
My cardiologist who is also an interventional cardiologist surgeon
who will do the procedure tells me that once he goes in, he will know
how much is the blockage and if he does not have to do stenting or
angioplasty he will not do it. Can you please provide any data and
comments from your experience as to how many times they go in and not
do anything and put the patient on a medical mamagement without stenting
or angioplasty? I wamt to be only on medical mangement without stenting
or angiopasty if I can help it and I am willing to go for an severe
life style change. Is it foolish to think that nothing will be done
when they do the procedure based on my previous CTA results and that
they will put me only on a heavy dose of statins and blood pressure
medication? Only 2 days are left for the procedure and I am nervous.
They tell me that if I do not go through the procedure I may live for
a longe time without it or can have heart attack any time. People go
on without stenting and angiopasty with blocked arteries. I guess once
you know you have some issues with your arteries you must fix it? I
have only limited chest pain and a lot of shoulder muscle pain. Thanks. Nick, if you get drug eluting stents placed,
you will need to be on antiplatelet therapy for 3-6 months, perhaps
a year. This is usually aspirin plus Plavix (clopidogrel) or Ticlid
(ticlopidine). These are very important medicines. If you have had
an allergic reaction to Plavix (and it's not clear from your post if
you did, because you had a number of other factors involved) you need
to make sure the cardiologists know this. Ticlid is sometimes used
instead when Plavix causes adverse reactions. Bare metal stents don't
need antiplatelet therapy for as long, but they do have a higher rate
of restenosis and greater numbers of repeat procedures. These are issues
you should discuss with your cardiologist, in advance of any procedure.
But it is not advised to stop antiplatelet therapy after stenting,
because of the risk of stent thrombosis (blood clotting) -- this is
what Plavix and aspirin help prevent. Let us know how you fared. Help: Recently in December 2005 during X-mas
during driving I lost some coordination and felt some momentarily numbness
in my arm. I had to stop the car and was not able to drive stead so
I called my wife who picked me up and we went to ER. they took chest
X-ray, didi MRA, MRI of head and determined that I may have had a TIA
or could be neurological because MRA, MRI and vhest X-ray were not
remarkable. I was taking 25 mg Atenolol and my BP was 155/99 at the
time of ER visit. My cholesterol was 230. I had been on Cholsterol
med Lipitor, 10 mg and that had brought it down to 171 but I had to
stop because of the bad stomach problems due to sever irritable bowel
syndrom for may years. At the time of supposedly TIA event the cardilogist
put me on 100 mg Cozaar, 25 mg Atenolo, 10 mg Zetia, 80 mg Lescol and
one 75 mg PLAVIX. After being on Plavix for two weeks with all other
drugs I had bad chest pain and muscular pain in shoulders, arms and
chest area. I reported to the cardiologist and we stopped Plavix, Lescol,
Zetia and stayed on Cozzar 100 mg, Atenolo and 81 mg Apirin. The pain
reduced. However we decided to do stress test and it had abnormal EKG
read. The cardilogist asked me to do an angiogram but I decided to
go for an 64 slice cardiac CT scan. It showed that I had three diffrent
stenosis, one high grade stenosis versus segemental occlusion of the
proximal right coronary artery, the other a high grade stenosis of
the LAD just proximal to the first Diagonal branch and third high grade
stenosis of the second diagonal branch origin. They asked me to do
cardioangiogram and check how much is the damage and fix it. I will
start to Plavix on 2/8/06 and the procedure is planned on 2/10/06..
I guess I will have to take the Plavix and depending on what they do
I may have to continue taking it. Considering what could have happened
during my earlier Plavix experience, should I wait for a week and be
on Plavix for a week and not for two days before the procedure? I have
a lot of shoulder and arm aches and occasional chest pain. Shuold I
wait? I also have inflamed groined skin but no infection and the dermatologist
tell me that it is okay to puncture it there for angiogram. What more
questions I should ask about this planned surgery regarding post operation
Plavix use and other post operation drug management and use care with
my irritable bowel syndrom condition? I am in my mid 50's. I had surgery for blocked veins in my legs
about 3 months ago and the doctor prescribed 75MG Plavix. Since I have
been taking Plavix I have bruises on my arms and one hand. What can
I do to eliminate the bruises? Is there some kind of salve or ointment
I can use to relieve the problem I had a RCA 100% blockage in 2002 with resulting
angioplasty and stent. A previous nuclear imaging stress test was negative,
no sign of coronary artery blockages anywhere and larger than normal
arteries. I was placed on Plavix and 325 mg aspirin following the stent
and at the end of one year, it was decided that studies were showing
no serious problems in remaining on Plavix, so I am still taking Plavix
and aspirin with no side effects. I have not had any other coronary
events with the exception of occasional irregular beats during periods
of stress or intake of excess caffeine. Atenolol has taken care of
the irregular beats. I have regular blood tests every 3 months because
I am also on Provochol (to stabilize artery walls....not for cholesteral
problems. 160 day of heart attack). Follow up cardiolyte stress tests
show almost no heart damage from the heart attack and the minimal amount
there is, occurred in a section of the heart that will probably not
cause any issues in the future. I also take a low dose of Avapro for
blood pressure which keeps my BP in the normal/low normal range. I
exercise 4-5 times per week, am losing weight, but am severely obese
and have type II diabetes for which I use Lantis and Humalog (none
of the pills for Diabetes)which keeps my A1C at 7 or below. I was recently
told I also had osteoporosis (T score of -2.73) and that I should take
a medication (Fosomax) for this. I am very concerned with adding another
medication to my growing list, especially with taking aspirin and Plavix
already with Fosomax which is well known to cause gastro-intestinal
problems (esophageal issues as well as stomach ulcers. I am 53...almost
54. I have not started the Fosomax yet, but have increased my exercise
to include weight strengthening training and more weight bearing types
of exercise as well as increased calcium and Vit D and calcium from
diet. I am very hesitant to discontinue the aspirin/Plavix therapy
because of the history of the blood clot that caused my heart attack.
The actual cause of the clot to form was not found. BTW...I FEEL GREAT!!!
Any thoughts? Oneway -- recommended antiplatelet therapy
with Plavix (clopidogrel) or Ticlid (ticlopidine) after drug-eluting
stents is currently 3 months for the Cypher stent and 6 months for
the Taxus -- we assume you that you had a drug-eluting stent implanted.
Based on recent studies, some cardiologists extend this period to a
year; sometimes more. This depends on several things, the patient's
clinical situation, tolerance of the drug, etc. These antiplatelet
drugs are taken in combination with aspirin, which is usually prescribed
for life. Sounds like you've been tolerating the meds well and we're
glad to hear you're feeling well (that is, after all, the idea). We
certainly would recommend discussing your concern about extending antiplatelet
therapy with your cardiologist. Plavix and Ticlid are indicated for
several conditions, as a prophylactic against future cardiac events,
etc.. See what he/she recommends for you -- and let us know as well
so other patients can benefit. Question: I had a stent put in six months
ago and they have me taking a Ticlid twice a day to prevent clogging
of the stent. The doctor mentioned that they would be taking me off
the Ticlid soon...is this wise??? I am a bit concerned about a change
in meds as I am feeling good right now. I also take a 325 aspirin and
fish oil too, might this be enough to thin my blood slightly? Thanks
for any comments about this... i had 3 stents implanted on nov.2005. I'm
on plavix 75mg, lipitor 20mg, coreg 25mg, cozaar 50mg and aspirin 81mg.
After approx 5 weeks post nov 1st 2005 i began to feel great. i still
do except that i've had a very stiff neck for the last 2 weeks. is
this a side effect of the drugs? would welcome an answer. I am a 57 year old male in excellent physical
condition and had very few of the risks factors associated with coronary
artery disease, other than high cholestrol and job related stress.
My cholestrol has been under control using cholestrol lowering drugs
since about 1990. I had three stents implanted on 11/18/05. One "Vision" Colbolt
Chromium in the RCA and two "Cordis" drug-eluting in the LCA. I had
already been taking 20 mg of Lipitor and a 81 mg aspirin daily for
many years due to my high cholesterol. After the stent procedure, my
cardiovascular surgeon also placed me on a 75 mg Plavix daily. After
experiencing some muscle pain and weakness in my legs and arms, he
switched from 20 mg of Lipitor to 10/20 mg of Vytorin. However, I have
also been experiencing considerable side effects from the Plavix medication.
Sore throat, cough, leg weakness, stomach upset, chills, tenderness
in the groin area where the catheter was inserted, and a low grade
fever (97.7). It is like having the flu, but without nasal congestion
or a fever. The chills and stomach upset will come and go intermittently.
These side effects are all listed as possible side effects for the
Plavix medication. In my case they can last for several days to a week
and then go away. I plan to discuss them with my doctor and find out
how long I need to remain on the Plavix medication and whether there
is an alternative blood thinning medication I can take in place of
Plavix. My doctor never told me about these potential Plavix side effects.
I thought my case was unusual, but after reading these patients internet
postings, I see that I have a lot of company when it comes to Plavix
side effects. Any comments or advise would be greatly appreciated... Does Aspirin have the same mechanism or pharmacolgic
action as Plavix in regards to anti-platlet effect? Can Plavix induce
G.I. bleeding like aspirin? JFL -- Good question. Here's the answer from
the AHA/ACC
Guidelines revisions issued in November 2005: "In patients
who have undergone PCI, clopidogrel 75 mg daily should be given for
at least 1 month after bare-metal stent implantation (unless the patient
is at increased risk for bleeding; then it should be given for a minimum
of 2 weeks), 3 months after sirolimus stent implantation, and 6 months
after paclitaxel stent implantation, and ideally up to 12 months in
patients who are not at high risk of bleeding." So for a
Cypher stent, 3 months minimum; Taxus is 6 but many physicians think
a year or more is better. What is the current recommendation by the
American College of Cardiology and the Am.Heart Assoc. in regards to
the length of time to take Plavix 75 per day after routine insertion
of stents (Cypher)?? How is the wife with blockage
in brain doing? Did they put her on plavix? Did she get the stent?
Did she have a stroke? Was there white matter visible in the MRI
and How much blockage does she have? Thank you in advance. My mother was prescribed plavix after a stent
procedure. The doctor emphatically states the need for use. Six weeks
after the procedure, she swears she feels MUCH worse than before--EXTREME
weakness & unbearable joint/back pain (had to see an orthopaedic doctor),
always sick at her stomach, VERY, very depressed. Why didn't the doctor
have her use plavix for more than one week prior to the stent to check
possible side effects first??? What do you do?? Help!! Last year I had 7 drug coated stents installed
in my left decending conary artery.druing the instlation process my
artery kept disecting, each time causing the need for another stent
to be placed inline, all during this time I was having a heart attack,
that lasted 3 hours, I was placed on plavix 75 Mg & asperine 325 mg
daily. So far it's working! I had a terrible rash on my groin, arms and
arm pits due to plavix. They put me on Ticlid and I have not been feeling
well. I now notice pin dot rash on my palms. What medication is next?
I had two Cypher stents placed in October with another to be placed
in two weeks Dee, you've hit on a controversial topic --
we just attended a symposium at this year's TCT that discussed this
situation and one of the interventional cardiologists on the panel
reported having this argument with his wife all the time -- she's a
surgeon! This is a call that must be made by the surgeon doing the
procedure in partnership with the cardiologist who has placed the stent
and prescribed the antiplatelet drugs -- the sense seems to be that
if the surgeon is aware of and able to manage the possible bleeding
complications, he/she should not stop the Plavix/aspirin because going
off the antiplatelet therapy, especially if drug-eluting stents were
used, can increase the risk of stent thrombosis (which can result in
infarction -- heart attack). The length of time since the stenting
is also important. However, no one, especially on the internet, can
say which way to go. This decision must be made by the medical professionals
who know the patient and have all the patient's records in hand. Just
make sure they talk to each other -- sometimes not an easy task. Many
non-cardiology physicians are not aware of the critical importance
of coninuing antiplatelet therapy after drug-eluting stenting. Good
luck, and please let us know what happens. My husband is on plavix and aspirin with two
cardiac stents due to blockage. He was recently diagnosed with an irregular
prostate and needs a biopsy. Can he come off the plavix for this procedure
and if not, what are the alternatives? Ex-husband was taking 80mg Zocor, Cardiologist
found three blockages, 2,80% and one 70%. Stents were put in the two
*80% and balloon used in the 70%. After he was told by the Cardiologist
to take 75mg. of Plavix and 325mg aspirin, but not to take Zocor, his
Primary Dr. told him to stay on Zocor. Cant figure this out, one says
take Zocor the other says not to. Help! My mother had an inferior wall MI on 22nd
March 2005. Angiography showed two blockages - RCA 99% and LAD 70%.
PTCA was done on 5th April 2005 with Taxus 3.5 X 30 in RCA and Cypher
3.0 X 18 in LAD. She was prescribed Clopidogrel 75 mg twice a day,
Aspirin 150 mg twice a day along with blood pressure and cholesterol
lowering drugs. After 3 months Aspirin 150 mg dosage was reduceds to
once a day. After 5 months, around 4th Sept.,05, my mother had inflammation
on the knuckles of the hands and the feet and was accompanied with
severe pain. I spoke to the cardiologist and he advised that the dose
of Clopidogrel 75 mg be reduced to once a day. After doing that, the
pain reduced a bit but the inflammation was still present. I looked
up in the net and came across two articles of BMJ.indicating arthritis
like symptoms being induced by Clopidogrel and Ticlopidine. I informed
the cardiologist about this and since he was not aware of any such
side effect in any of his patients, he advised us to continue clopidogrel
till atleast 9 months since PTCA. The pain would not go away and after
consultation from two orthopaedic surgeons we were told that the symptoms
are not the signs of any new joints disease and is most probably a
side effect of a drug. We also saw two black patches under the skin
one on the hand and one on the leg. We decided to discontinue Clopidogrel
and observe. In a about 7 days after discontinuing Clopidogrel the
black patches disappeared and the pain and inflammation reduced substantially.
Apart from the small joints the pain had also started to occur in the
right elbow and left shoulder before we discontinued Clopidogrel. After
7 days we started Clopidogrel 75 mg once a day. After 4 days of continuing
this dosage the inflammation and pain returned and after the 5th day
we stopped Clopidogrel. After 11days of being without Clopidogrel we
spoke to the cardiologist who advised us to take Ticlopidine 250 mg
twice a day instead of Clopidogrel. After 4 days of starting Ticlopidine
the small joint pains increased a bit and I could see a small red spot
of 3 mm dia below theskin of the left feet of my mother. I spoke to
the Cardiologist and he asked us to continue taking the medicne and
said that the joint inflammation is probably another disease. On the
7 th day of taking Ticlopidine my mother had pain in both her knees
which was bearable. After 12 hours of this beginning of pain, the pain
had become severe and my mother had to use a stick to walk (which she
never had used). She took the one Ticlopidine 250 mg even at this stage.
After 1 hour of this, she also had headache. This was post dinner and
she could not sleep wel that night. We decided to discontinue Ticlopidine.
The pain was there the whole of the next day and night. She had pain
when she would be trying to bend her knees or trying to get up or sit
down. The pain in her elbow nad shoulder which had started at the time
of taking clopidogrel also turned severe. I also noticed a black patch
under the skin of her right leg above the knee. After two days of discontinuing
the medicine the pain started to reduce and today after 8 days of discontinuing
Ticlopidine, the pain is still there but has greatly reduced. My Mother's
age is 59 and she is 64 kgs in weight and 5 feet in height. It seems
that she is hyper sensitive to both Ticlopidine and clopidogrel. The
cardiologist says that it is very important to continue taking this
drug till atleast 9 months post PTCA. Is there an alternative to Ticlopidine/
Clopidogrel which could be prescribed for my Mother at this stage.
What would be the outcome of discontinuing these drugs? I would be
greatly thankful if someone could find a solution to this problem. Prior to having had two cypher stents fitted
I was on... 75 mg Aspirin 40 mg Simvastatin 10 mg Nicorandil 5 mg Bisoprolol
Post stenting I dropped to 2.5 mg Bisoprolol (to reduce the tiredness)
and started 75 mg Plavix. After a few weeks I dropped the Nicorandil
and started on 2 mg Perindopril, with the intention of increasing the
dose if I can take it. I have a bit of dizziness, tend to feel the
cold more, bruise very easily and have a metallic taste in the mouth.
None of this is unbearable, just an embuggerance. I am a 67 year old male . Eighteen months
ago I told my Dr I had neck and back pain but I was still in good shape
strong as an ox and working hard .I took a stress test and they told
me I had a blocked artery but I was never short of breath. The hospital
then did an angioplasty and put in place three stents in my RCA which
was completley blocked, the cardiologist said the chances of the stents
closing up was high but he also said what is in your faviour is the
fact you have very larg arteries. All this was in June 2004 and I am
still on Plavix 75 Aspirin 100mg Coversyl 2mg Minax50mg and Lipitor
10mg and have no side effects do not bruse and all this never cost
me a penny --Good onya Oz Regarding my mother and lack of Plavix with
stent. Upon admission to the hospital she was presented with the option
of participating in a double blind Plavix and an investigational drug
study. We opted not to participate in the study due to recent medical
problems with my father, need to travel some distance for the followup
evals and the fact that they usually leave to head south for the winter.
The request to participate in the drug comparison study and then no
Plavix was a pretty clear tipoff. Thanks for your timely response. David -- good work! We've discussed often
on this site the crucial importance of Plavix/aspirin antiplatelet
regimen after implantation of a drug-eluting (a.k.a. medicated) stent.
The reason it's used is to keep thrombus or blood-clotting from occuring
inside the stent (platelets in the blood see a foreign object like
a stent and tend to start gathering to cover it). We don't know what,
if any, effect having a four-day non-treatment occur. We do know that
a "loading dose" of 300mg of Plavix is often given to the
patient 4-8 hours before stent placement. Recent studies have shown
that an even higher loading dose of 600mg is safe and effective, and
results in better outcomes. It may be that because this was an emergency
procedure, there was no time for the Plavix loading dose. We're curious
as to how you knew or where you learned about the need for Plavix after
stenting? My 80 yr old mother who was active and in
good health (on no medications for anything) had a heart attack last
Wednesday. On Thursday they placed a medicated stent, 28mm to open
an 80% blockage of the LAD. She was discharged and 3 days later I discovered
she was discharged on crestor, beta blocker and 325 mg Aspirin but
no Plavix. Contacted Cardiologist office and found that they had messed
up in not sending her on Plavix. She was contacted by the Cardiologist
office to take four Plavix today and then one a day beginning tomorrow.
Any consequence of this that we should watch for or be aware, including
both the lack of Plavix initially and the four Plavix on the first
day? Thankyou. Hospitalized for sepsis. Also needed two
stents for closed heart vessels. Post stent is 75 mg plavix, and 325
mg asprin. Also taking 40 mg Lasix and 50 mg toprol. Just one month
out now. I had three stents which started to close.
I was on plavix and aspirin. Is it a practice not to stop plavix and
aspirin before double bypass surgery or any kind of surgery? In June
I had a double bypass and was not taken off of plavix or aspirin as
a result I experienced bleeding around my heart and had to be brought
into surgery for the second time within a few hours. Doctors believe
my heart problems were a result of radiation which caused scar tissue. I had three stents inserted into my right
coronary artery just over three weeks ago. I am taking Plavix 75mg
Aspirin 325 mg Toprol XL 25mg Lisinopril 5mg Lipitor 80 mg Initially
I broke out in a rash which covered most of my body, now I am getting
back spasms, have no appetite, feel as if I am in a fog, hence slow
thinking. Is this the best that i am going to feel for the rest of
my life? I am 5 ft 2 inches tall & weigh around 125 pounds. Sue -- You're right that Lovenox (enoxaparin
sodium) is basically an anticoagulant and not an antiplatelet. There
are a few studies around to suggest that Lovenox combined with antiplatelet
therapy can lower certain adverse events, late lumen loss, etc. Of
course, your husband is on aspirin which is an antiplatelet drug. We
will be posting some documentation that Sanofi–Aventis, manufacturers
of both Plavix and Lovenox, is sending us. But the company stresses,
and rightly so, that the use of Lovenox in stenting is NOT an approved
use and any information should NOT be considered a recommendation for
the use of Lovenox in a manner which may be inconsistent with approved
product labeling. WE, of course, cannot dispense medical advice, but
we will post the studies. Please keep us informed as to your husband's
progress. This is an occurrence that a number of patients, as you can
tell from this Forum, have written about, and it will be most helpful
to others to share experiences. two weeks ago my husband had a drug eluting
stent placed for restenosis of metal stent that was placed in aprox.
6 years ago. Was on plavix for a week prior to implantation, developed
acute reaction to plavix within 48 hours after stent placement; received
high doses of prendisone and antihitamines with no effect. Was Changed
to ticlid and remains on high doses of prendisone only to have acute
serum sickness from this. He is now going to be placed on lovenox and
aspirin. I can not find any literature that details how effective or
ineffective an anticoagulant not antiplatelet therapy yields post des
placement.... Dear A.R. -- First of all, congratulations
on your post-stenting weight loss and your resumption of physical activity
-- most important! As for your question, perhaps you didn't have a
drug-eluting stent placed. Let us know what type it was. These two
drugs work separately to make the blood (platelets) "slippery" and
keep them from congregating -- like around the stent. The problems
with taking these drugs is mainly due to allergies to one or both,
the need for some type of surgery (in which case you can't be on drugs
that will keep your blood from clotting) and cost -- Plavix is not
cheap. The standard recommendation from device manufacturers and cardiology
associations, and this is based on a number of clinical studies, is
that a combination antiplatelet therapy of Plavix (clopidogrel) and
aspirin has shown to reduce the occurance of late stent thrombosis
for drug-eluting stents. And stent thrombosis is a very serious complication,
although it occurs infrequently. Most cardiologists recommend this
combo for 6-12 months post-stenting. Was there a reason your doctor
took you off Plavix after four months? We'd be curious to know. (And
by the way, try releasing your caps lock -- writing in all caps is
the electronic equivalent of shouting....) Meanwhile keep up the good
work! A. R. SMITH, ST. LOUIS, MO, September 24, 2005 Walter -- very good point! Have you asked
this question of your cardiologist? -- the one who prescribed Plavix/aspirin.
He/she should be the one to make this call since your cardiologist
has your medical records to consult. We haven't seen any data regarding
time-to-thrombosis after stopping antiplatelet therapy but you raise
an interesting question and we'll see if we can get an answer. The question: Can Plavix & asprin dosing be
safely suspended for one week prior to dental
surgery? Gleanings from the Internet: Plavix: platelet aggregation
and bleeding time gradually return to baseline values after treatment
is discontinued, generally in about 5 days. Asprin 81mg/day: platelet
lifetime 10 days. How soon after stopping Plavix & asprin did the 1%
experience stent thrombosis? I had an Atrial septal defect closure device
put in in May 2005 and I am taking 100mg Aspirin and 75mg Plavix a
day since to stop stroke and blood clotting. Since taking it I feel
hot flushes than usual. Does anyone else have this problem especially
with plavix? I take Plavix 75mg once a day and 81mg aspirin
once a day. I've been taking the aspirin for 3 years. Had an annual
stress test 6 days ago and they sent me straigt to angioplasty w/95%
in two places in my RCA. Feel 100% now and will get back to exercising
today. Lost 12 pounds this month and stopped smoking/drinking 3 weeks
ago. My numbers have all dropped dramatically. This is the key people.
Don't smoke, don't drink, eat healthy and exercise. All the medicine
in the world can't replace that!! In the past 2 weeks, I had 2 stents put in,
after an angiogram, I had a positive stress test. I am now taking 75mgs
of Plavix and 325 mgs of ecotrin along with my sectral 400 mgs and
avapro 150 mgs. I find bruises on my body and checked with my Dr. and
he said that is what the drug does and I have to stay on it, hopefully
for a short time. I have not experienced any unusual bleeding except
for a little blood in my nose while blowing and then it stopped. Tell
me what is your opinion? I also watch my diet as far as cholesterol
and trans fats. I took a full aspirin (325mg) for about 6
months after my 4 stents. After that my doctor dropped my aspirin down
to 81 mg. I also take 75mg of Plavix. Plavix 75 mg q day I am taking 75mg Plavix after having a stent
put in. I am bruising all over my body epecially my legs. I even have
a black eye. Is this common? Will it stop? It is an allergic reaction
to the Plavix? Should I be on a lower dosage? Does anyone else have
this problem. It really bothers me. I look terrible! In Aug. 2003 I had Taxus2 stent in LAD (75%)
and prescribed 75 Plavix and 75 Aspirin. After 3 months I was advised
to stop the apsirin as it was thought that I might be mildly allergic
to it. A recent stress echo suggested I could still have a problem
but due to a small VSD the results could not be considered conclusive
so I was referred for an angiogram. The consultant could not agree
to a stent if needed (but proceeded with the angiogram) because of
recent recommendations that aspirin and clopidogrel should be prescribed
for 12 months post procedure; and as I was possibly allergic to aspirin
I would need to undertake an allergy trial for several months just
to make sure. I was unaware of this new recommendation so it came as
a surprise and shock that any stenting would be delayed. The good news
from the angiogram is that I don't need another stent. I now plan to
take a course of aspirin along with the still prescribed plavix just
to check the allergy thing for the future. Anyone know whether plavix
can be taken indefinitely? I'm 71, train regularly and asymptomatic.
Problem was first revealed following EBCT scan. I am trying find the new combination medication
of adding 81 mg of ASA and Plavix 75 mg in a single tablet. The patients
can take the combo tablet instead of two individual tablets for one
to 12 months. Any coments on my idea i have been taking plavix since 7 jan 2005
and i noticed some spots all over my back,chest and neck i need to
know the right treatment for this case,and to check the right dosage
of plavix to be taken and for how long? My husband had his stent done more than a
year ago. He was then taking plavix and aspirin. After sixteen months,
he was advised to have colonoscopy because of his age. His doctors
did not inform him to discontinue plavix and aspirin.During the process
of colonoscopy they found out that he had a polyp so they took a sample
from it for biopsy. After a few days he hemorhaged and had to stay
in the hospital intensive care for a week. He had blood tranfusion
and I thought I'll lose him. Now it's almost three months, his primary
doctor wants him to take plavix again when he is also taking aspirin.
I'm very concerned. I am taking 75 mg. plavix, and 325 aspirin.
I bleed now like a stuck pig when I have to do my finger pricks for
my diabetes daily monitoring. Was told at least min. 6 mos. on blood
thinners. Not thrilled. Anyone nauseous with plavix? A recent MRA confirms
my wife has a blockage of a vein in her brain. Doctor is exploring
the possibility of installing a stent. Years ago she took Plavix to
relieve a cholesterol problem. Later, she had surgery to correct a
problem in her shoulder and afterwards began to display large areas
over her body where the skin blackened. Doctor took her off the Plavix
and the conditon corrected itself. Now they are cautiously suggesting
the use of Plavix again in an attempt to relieve the present condition
in her brain in lieu of surgery. She can not take aspirin as she is
highly allergic to this substance. Has anyone heard of this procedure
involving the placement of a stent in the brain. It causes us to shudder. Is there any justification to use 75 mg Plavix
as opposed to say 35 mg Plavix. The idea of a one size fits all doesn't
seem obvious. I'd like to use the minimum amount necessary, but can't
find any reseach on the effect of different doses. BTW, my doctor agreed
that Plavix, and Coumadin may be sufficient to prevent the cardiac
problems I face. Therefore I discontinued the 325 mg of aspirin that
was previously included in my medication regimen. I'm much more comfortable
with that. My Husband had a Stent put in on May 8, 2005
the new medicated stent was used for a 90% blockage. He is taking Plavix,
Ectotrin 325mg, Vasotec, and Lipitor. Recently he was brought into
the emergency for an Inflammation of the Heart Muscle, which was treated
successfully with Indocin. The Doctor in the ER told me this was a
common Syndrome that some people develop after a Stent is put in, My
husband had the same pain the day after his Heart Attack and at that
time was treated again with Indocin, successfully. Can some one please
explain this to me, why this happens. Thank You I had a stent to open a 99% blocked heart
artery. It was just in time to prevent a major stroke. Prior to the
stenting I was on Coumadin for 10 years to prevent TIAs caused by Atrial
fib and clotting. The Coumadin was discontinued to implant the stent
and all was fine for 15 days using 75 mg plavix in conjuction with
325 mg aspirin, but then I had a minor TIA. It was just like I used
to get before taking Coumadin. An emergency physician advised taking
Coumadin as well as Plavix and Aspirin. I'm just hoping it won't cause
a bloody problem! More later . . . with luck! I am 73.After years of stable angina of effort
in 2004 my angina became unstable. My blood pressure had always been
140/75. Following angiogram in Feb 05 a single stent was inserted at
position of 87% lesion and there was a less than 60% lesion left alone.
Within a few days my blood pressure became unstable occasionally 210/110.
Four weeks after angioplasty at night I had recurring chest pain in
spasm and after four hours went to emergency. My blood pressure was
sky high and I was kept in for two days and a further angiogram was
scheduled. I reuested first a stress test on which I did 15 minutes
with no pain and top blood pressure of 165/80. I continued to have
erratic blood pressure and spasm but generally good exercise tollerance.
I went on holliday to Switerland where I suddenly had severe spasm
and highly variable a of e. I went to hospital where they recorded
very high blood pressure and sent me by ambulance to Bern University
Hospital. In view of my history and possibility of the stent having
blocked I had another angiogram which showed the stent clear but the
other occlusion was also fitted with a stent. Over three days the hospital
could not stabilise my blood pressure and concluded that this was the
cause of my angina and spasm. All this time I was taking Plavix. I
have kept a blood pressure chart since May 1. Four days ago following
ten days of angina of effort and spasm I discontinued Plavix. Immediately
my blood pressure has fallen and stabilised at around 140/80 no spasm
and improved exercise tollerance. Now how do I protect against platelet
aggregation. Clearly my second angioplasty was an unnecessary intervention.
I hope this report will save some other patients a lot of stress. I had stent implanted May 25/2005. I have
been prescribed Plavix, 325 mg aspirin. Also take Altace,Lipitor(10),Bisoprolol(5)daily.
Comment on drawings supplied "63yo male,prior CABGx4. Known occluded
SVG to ramus,DI, and LIMA to LAD. New 90%lesion at anastomotic site
of SVG to distal RCA. PCI 3.5/15 Biodyvisio, post with 3.5/8 Quantum.
Good results. OM2 90% chronic. Angioseal RFA. Plavix>1m. Integ. JS/VH(Drs.)" I
feel great! If patient is already taking Coumadin
for a previous DVT/pulmonary embolism, is it still OK to take 325
mg of aspirin, along with the usual plavix, beta blockers, etc. after
drug-eluting stents installed on an emergency basis out of town while
on vacation. Back home (in Chapel Hill), it takes 2 months to get
an appointment with an interventional cardiologist. Meanwhile, how
do you determine the proper dosage? Ask your cardiologist is not
an option for 2 months. Any idea who to ask to get an immediate response? I have just had 1 Cypher (RCA Bypass)
and 2 Taxus stent implants in the LCA with one causing serious LIMA
bypass spasm. Having a St. Jude aortic valve, I am also on Coumadin
but still required to take Plavix 75mg and Asp 81mg. Is anyone on
these 3 anticoagulants and how do you manage them? I take 81mg and 75mg plavix 10mg crestor
all once a day along with 25mg metoperol twice a day MB -- only your cardiologist should be making
the decision as to whether you should continue with any prescription
medication. Plavix is prescribed for 3 months to a year to avoid the
problem of stent thrombosis, but Plavix also has other benefits and
reasons for use. I had an angioplasty exactly year ago. I had
three stents in my arteries, of which doctors recommended one stent
of cypher. I was prescribed aspirin 75 mg, plavix 75 mg, zocor 20 mg,
zestril 10 mg, beta blocker 50 mg, I am diabetic so i take diamicron
MR 10 mg, and two tablets of glucophage 500 twice a day. I am really
curious whether should I stop plavix as its been 1 year that I've been
taking. Plz do advice me. J.P. -- Sorry about your
situation. As you read in my
blog, Dr. Eisenberg's article
in Lancet (sorry -- subscription only to read) cautions doctors
to think about the clinical consequences down the road of implanting
drug-eluting stents. But with a 90% blockage, it's possible you may
not have had much choice and been at high risk for a coronary event.
As for medical advice on what to do, that is something we do not
and cannot give. Your physician is really the best source for that
type of advice. And it sounds like your cardiologist is quite aware
that early cessation of antiplatelet therapy post drug-eluting stent
implantation is not such a good idea. Over half of the voters on
an April 5 poll conducted by CRT
Online, a professional-only cardiology site, said that they prescribe
Plavix for a year or more after stenting (not a scientific survey
by any means, but you get the idea). So I would not just stop
this course of medication -- any change needs to be discussed with
your cardiologist and you should discuss with him/her the implications
of any decision in this situation. My stents were installed
in February ( 2 in the decending coronary artery) following a kidney
stone and subsequent dehydration effects. I had been walking around
with a 90% blocked DCA. But, my problem is I still have the kidney
stone because my cardiologist doesn't want to discontinue the anticoagulants
(Plavix and Aspirin) long enough to do the Lithotripsy (sonic kidney
stone blast technique). The stone was secured with a urinary track
stent in my ureter. Also, Plavix is expensive and a nasty tasting
pill thats hard to swallow. Do I want to discontinue my anticoagulants
so I can get rid of the kidney stone and urinary stent? Sure, but
I'll wait. The devil is always in the details. Aspirin 325mg 1 per day Colleen, as
for aspirin and Plavix, before changing the dosage of aspirin from
what your mother's cardiologist prescribed, you should check with
him/her. Both drugs can cause bleeding, especially when used together.
So I would not increase your mother's aspirin dose without checking
first. Most cardiologists prescribe Plavix for 6 months after a
drug-eluting stent -- some feel a year is better. Again check with
your cardiologist (general practice physicians are sometimes not
aware of the importance of Plavix and drug-eluting stents -- do
not stop taking it without your cardiologist's approval).
As for the drug on the coated stents, paclitaxel (used on the Taxus)
is a cancer drug, and sirolimus (used on the Cypher) is an immunosuppressive.
Both have the characteristic of slowing-down cell growth, thought
to cause restenosis or re-clogging. But they're not anti-platelet
drugs (Plavix and aspirin are). Paclitaxel or sirolimus are eluted
(given off) by the stent in a very small dosage (compared to taking
a pill systemically) over time. While there have been instances
of hypersensitivity to the drug itself, they are relatively rare
(you can read about allergic reactions our readers have reported
in a different
topic -- there's also a phone number there to report/discuss
concerns about any reactions to the Taxus stent) . Sometimes rashes,
coughs, etc. may be due to medications being taken by the patient
(heart patients are usually on several). And yes, it is true that
elderly people react differently to medications, usually they are
more sensitive. Hopefully another procedure won't be necessary
(that's the concept behind drug-eluting stents -- they've cut restenosis
from the 20+% range down to 5%). But if one does, you should discuss
these concerns with your mother's cardiologist (patients often
have more than one stent implanted during a procedure). My mother was told to
take plavix and one aspirin Started with full strength aspirin, then
cut to baby aspirin after a month, along with taking plavix. She
has drug eluting stent (paclitaxel). i didn't know about different
kind of stents and when she developed rash, started researching and
found out. I am concerned that this is a chemotherapy drug that is
implanted in a persons artery where a minute amount will supposedly
remain of this drug. Elderly people have compromised immune systems
just from the natural aging process, so I don't understand why a
company would use this particular drug to keep platelets forming.
Being a lay person of course doesn't give me full insight, but, common
sense would tell me that a chemo drug, that can have highly allergic
side effects, was not a great choice of drugs to use on elderly people.
Now I've read that this stent is not to be used on people who are
allergic to plavix. Well, if you never were a heart patient before,
how do you know if you are allergic? My other concern is from what
I have read, there hasn't been any studies of effects of this stent
in a persons body beyond a year. That is scary to me. Her rash has
calmed down somewhat, but still no one can pinpoint why she has it.
Is there any one else out there that has experienced this? Getting
back to meds, she is to continue plavix for 6 months with baby aspirin.
After that continue with aspirin Personally, I think one whole aspirin
and a baby to say the least. My grandmother took 2 aspirins (whole)
everyday and lived to 97 years. If you can give me any info regarding
rash, I would appreciate it. Also, her electrocardiogram is still
not normal, which was the original reason she had stent implanted.
The doctor told her that this is probably the way it will read from
now on and to carry a copy with her in case of emergency.Yet, I read
that one of the signs of side-effect from stent is electro cardiogram
abnormal. Hope I am just overly concerned and worrying too much.What
if a patient with a paclitaxel eluting stent, God forbid, needed
another procedure down the road. What kind of stent would be used?
I don't think it would be good to have chemo again eluting into an
elderly person? One Aspirin 81mg and
one Plavix 75mg. Both to be taken in the morning. Aspirin should
be after meal, but Plavix no difference. Hope this is of use. Good
health to you. Ellen -- check out this article on our "News" page about a study published in the February "Annals of Internal Medicine". They studied a combination therapy of clopidogrel (Plavix), 75 mg per day, plus aspirin, 325 mg per day for 1 year, followed by aspirin only (lifetime) and compared that with aspirin only (lifetime) and found that the combination, although more expensive, was also more cost-effective, since it was better in preventing more vascular events. This study was in patients with acute coronary syndrome. Post-stent patients need to be taking aspirin, probably lifetime, and Plavix certainly for 3-12 months -- this can prevent stent thrombosis, a not frequent (< 1%), but very serious complication with stents. As for the exact dosages, while you are correct in noting different strengths quoted in different articles, your doctor is the best source of this information, because he/she needs to look at your whole clinical situation and determine the best, most effective dosages (there may be some side-effects to anti-platelet medication, but this varies with individuals). We are curious as to what medications/dosages
other readers have been prescribed post-stenting. Post your comments
below regarding aspirin, Plavix, etc. What is the normal
dosage of Plavix, aspirin given after having a Stent. I hear one aspirin,
over and over, but is this 325 mg or 81? Please let me know as soon
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